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All right, we got some good discussion going last time, so let's go for another fantasy fight. At the risk of bouncing off a couple fourth walls here: Who would win in a fight? Adolf Hitler or Voldemort. No weapons, no lackeys, no magic.

Go!
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Date: 2010-02-18 07:47 pm (UTC)
boeshane_boy: (O RLY on helium)
From: [personal profile] boeshane_boy
Voldemort.

Date: 2010-02-18 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
Defend your position. I'm not taking tallies.

Date: 2010-02-18 07:49 pm (UTC)
toldastory: (Grin)
From: [personal profile] toldastory
Voldemort. He at least would kill people. Hitler would hide behind someone else to do it.

Date: 2010-02-18 07:50 pm (UTC)
boeshane_boy: (idk my bff retcon?)
From: [personal profile] boeshane_boy
Adolf was short and kind of awkward. If Voldemort's got a body, he'd probably handle himself better.

Assuming Voldie isn't a complete failure in a fist fight, anyway.
From: [identity profile] christ-onabike.livejournal.com
No magic?

Hitler. He might be short and a snivelling little fascist, but:

a) he was a soldier
b) Voldemort has, what, 1/7th of a soul? And is all pale and icky.
c) you've still got to be kind of tough to be a fascist. It's the putches.
d) Voldemort would only know how to fight with his magic and wouldn't know how to throw a punch.
e) did you see kid Voldemort in those films? He was a weed. I doubt adult Voldemort was much better.
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
Dude, he wasn't a soldier. He was lucky. The fact that he could get his pants on in the morning was a miracle.
Edited Date: 2010-02-18 07:56 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-18 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] christ-onabike.livejournal.com
No, he was a soldier in the First World War. I'll go find you a page in a history book which says it. He got the Iron Cross.

I might not be that fucking clever, but I know that much.

Date: 2010-02-18 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
I'm not disputing he might have been in the military; I just don't automatically assume that means the guy had skills.

Date: 2010-02-18 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] christ-onabike.livejournal.com
Trench fucking warfare might have been sitting in the mud and getting shot, but you've got to presume he got some basic fuckin' training there. Or at least some survival skills, as he didn't get shot, did he?

Date: 2010-02-18 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
Dude, do you know how many times he narrowly missed being assassinated? The guy rolled natural 20s on all his luck checks.

Not to distract from your point but he didn't start being lucky when he got a cool coat and a funny haircut.
Edited Date: 2010-02-18 08:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-18 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] christ-onabike.livejournal.com
luck checks?

Being a lucky bastard's the best thing you can have in a fight. Make that point f).

Date: 2010-02-18 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
Unfortunately I kind of think that's a characteristic they both share. Voldemort actually has the advantage of being genuinely intelligent, though.

Date: 2010-02-18 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] christ-onabike.livejournal.com
Intelligence is fucking useless in a fight. You spend all that time trying to play clever and tactics and the other guy's already introduced his wedding ring to your nose and you're down.

Besides, I think my point about Voldemort being pretty useless without magic still stands.
From: [identity profile] uowemeascream.livejournal.com
Hitler.

Voldemort's entire defence depended on his magic, instead of physical prowess.

Hitler, however, knew at least some hand-to-hand, not to mention he was a soldier, and didn't depend on just his bodyguards at the end. He could handle himself in a fist fight - came from being homeless on the streets.

Voldemort's probably got a glass jaw too.

Date: 2010-02-18 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
That's IF Hitler wasn't intimidated by y'know -- a guy who's pretty much physically half snake. Something he's probably never seen before. Attitude goes a long way, and the guy kind of had a history of failing to stand up to people that are bigger assholes than he is.

Date: 2010-02-18 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
I think you're underestimating how crazy he could probably get when he's backed into a corner. He epitomizes "never-say-die". When he lost the war the first time he at least had a contingency plan. This is versus the guy who lost and then blew his own head off.

Date: 2010-02-18 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] christ-onabike.livejournal.com
...Voldemort might be intimidated by that moustache. Or by not being able to hide behind his wand for the first fucking time in his life.

And I dunno about that, he certainly bloody turned one on Stalin, didn't he? Alright, Stalin kinda-fucking-had the last word, but I bet you anything he shat himself when Hitler went 'actually, no, I'll have the REST of Poland.'

Date: 2010-02-18 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uowemeascream.livejournal.com
Not underestimating. Just know how crazy Hitler was. Plus, it'd come down to physical prowess. I'd take Hitler in that fight over snake-boy any day.

Date: 2010-02-18 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
Did they ever meet in person? I'm not too sure on that, but I don't think they did. And you know how easy it is to talk smack about people that aren't in the room.

You ever read about what happened to Hitler whenever he visited Spain trying to get a handout?

Date: 2010-02-18 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
He wasn't crazy. ...Well, no. I'm pretty sure he was crazy. But he was an overglorified D student who hired crazier and more dependable people than he was.

And to be fair Voldemort's physical abilities in his new body were never put to the full test. If you want to talk Pre-Goblet of fire, then yeah, I'd argue he was fucked. But that entire story was about him building a new body that wasn't frail. And he might have hated non-magic stuff, but he wasn't stupid and he was dead paranoid.

Date: 2010-02-18 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
It's a shame that was never tested. Might have made the last battle a lot more interesting.

Date: 2010-02-18 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
Points to the doctor lady!

Date: 2010-02-18 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gotgreenmagic.livejournal.com
While I know I'm gonna regret asking this:

Who's Voldemort?

Date: 2010-02-18 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twoton21.livejournal.com
You've never read Harry Potter or seen the movies?

Date: 2010-02-18 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] christ-onabike.livejournal.com
Don't think Hitler met many of these bastards. I heard somewhere that him going to Paris was a fucking adventure. I thought it was whatchacallhim. Ribbentrop doing all the bugging people.

Still reckon he'd win, no questions asked.
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